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Susan Baker

b

 1840

Liverpool

 

m.

 16th November 1862

Liverpool, St. Philip,

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d

 1931

New Zealand

 

1840-1931

 

 siblings

James? 1833

John 1835

Mary Jane 1837

Susan 1840

  

 

 

 

 

Father

Samuel Baker

Mother

Ann

Spouse

Thomas McGrevy

Children

Clara Louisa 1864

Helena Jane 1868

Mary 1870

Thomas Samuel 1872

James 1875

1840 (approx) Susan was born to Samuel and Ann Baker. She appears to have been born in Liverpool, based on subsequent census data (excluding 1841 census which is still uncertain). however her birth remains to be established firmly.

1841 census, the only people found so far are tentative. There is a possible Susan, aged 1, appears to be living with her mother Ann in Over, Cheshire. This is part of what is now Winsford but in 1841 it was a parish in its own right and considered the best part of the town, which had a thriving Salt industry. Note in this census that Susan's father, Samuel is not with the family although he was born in Over. Efforts to find him have been hindered by the fact that the are several Samuel Bakers amongst a host of Baker families all in Over Lane all in Over, which is but a small village!  Clearly there are relationships between many of these people, however this has not yet been investigated. This family grouping has a Susan with the correctly named mother, Ann and siblings who match those in the 1851 census. The 1851 family are surely mine suggesting that the 1841 people are, in turn, correct.

1841 Over Lane, Over, Cheshire.
Ann Baker, 30, Cheshire
James, 8, Cheshire,
John, 6, Cheshire,
Mary, 4, Cheshire,
Susan, 1, Cheshire



1851
A family who appear to be mine are in Liverpool living in School Lane, close to Church Street and to St Peter's Church. The 1860 Gore's directory for School Lane (the closest, in date, examined) shows number 13 to be directly opposite the Bluecoat School, on the corner of School lane and Church Alley (the latter is a short  'one-sided' street facing the church), their dwelling or building may just be visible in one of the St Peter's Church files but it now seems more likely that their original dwelling has been replaced by the building in that photograph. A much earlier Herdman engraving shows what is almost certainly their abode at this junction. The family is led by Samuel Baker, b. Cheshire, 'Over' is written in the margin. Note that Ann is claiming Liverpool as her place of birth (unlike 1841). Susan is over the page and there are two visitors, who may be lodgers. The census district is a very small one, in the very centre of the City and unusually the census has appended a small map of the limits. A view of the building in which they lived (or its site) are just possible in the various files of St Peter's church.
It may also be noted that the 1858 PO directory for Liverpool shows 'James Baker and Son, ship-owners, sail makers and ship chandlers' at 6 Hanover Street. This is very close to where they are living and reflects the trades that the family subsequently followed both in the UK and in NZ either as Bakers or as McGrevys. '
There are a sufficient number of small discrepancies with places of birth, to make it worth checking the 1841 census entry again but these 1851 people are a close fit for my relatives. The 1851 census shows several other families of Bakers in Over and again a confusing numbers of Samuel Bakers all within a small area, mostly Over Lane.

1851 13 School Lane, Liverpool
Samuel, head, 44 (or 46), Grocers Assistant, b. Cheshire, Over.
Ann Baker, wife, 43, b. Liverpool.
John Baker, son, 17 b. Cooper's apprentice, b. Birkenhead.
Mary (J?) Baker, daug. 14, Scholar, b. Liverpool
Susan Baker, daug, 11, Scholar, b. Liverpool



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1861 there are very few Susan Bakers in the census and Susan is found with her parents at 155 Upper Frederick Street, an address which also figures when she marries and for the first two children of Susan and Thomas McGrevy. Note that John Baker is not now with the family, yet he is shown as living at this address the previous year in Gore.

1861 155 Upper Frederick Street
Samuel Baker, head, married, 55, grocer, parish of Over
Ann Baker, wife, married, 52, b. Lancashire, Liverpool
Mary Baker, daug, unmarr, 23, dressmaker, b. Lancashire, Liverpool
Susan Baker, daug, unmarr, 21, dressmaker, b. Lancashire, Liverpool

three boarders with no seeming connection are not transcribed here.

(note also in 1861, Catherine Tyson ( nee McGrevy) nearby at 38 Norfolk Street.  With her is her brother Thomas McGreivy (indexed as McGrieog), lodger, unmarried, 24, sail maker, b. Cumberland. This Thomas marries Susan the following year). (n.b. next door is another family of Tysons, with the wife, Elizabeth b. Cumberland, they may be related and will be checked).

1862 Thomas married Susan Baker in Liverpool on November 16th (Dec 1862, Liverpool, 8b 392).  (Thomas is wrongly shown as McGrery in some indexes). The marriage is at St. Philip Neri (in Catherine Street, a Catholic church confirming what is known). They both give 155 Upper Frederick Stree6 as their addresst. Thomas is a batchelor aged 25 (b. 1836), a sail maker. Susan is 22 (b.1840) a spinster. No occupation. Susan's father is Samuel Baker a Grocer, Thomas's father is John McGrevy a blacksmith. Both bride and groom were able to sign their names. The marriage was by Banns. Although Susan's parents were thought to have been James and Ann it appears that they are actually Samuel and Ann. Witnesses were John Baker and Mary Jane Baker. Mary Jane is assumed to be Susan's sister (see 1851 census above).  John is thought to be brother to Susan (again see 1851 census). Gore's directory for 1860 shows John Baker, grocer's assistant, living at 155 Upper Frederick Street (though no other occupants). No 155 is on the east side at the Kent Street junction (map 0a).

1863 Thomas and Susan are still at 155 Upper Frederick Street for the birth of their first child, Clara Louisa on 18th August 1863.

1868 on 18th June, for the birth of their daughter Helena Jane, the couple are living at 90 Beaufort Street. Thomas is a sailmaker. (n.b. 90 Beaufort Street is next door to the Bethel Chapel, which co-incidentally (?) began life in Greenland Street, as previous residence of the family).

1871 for the census the family are at 6 Collins Street (off Park Road, very close to where the rest of his relations are living and close to St Peter's Methodist church which was to open within a few years and adjacent to where later McGrevys and Christians (by marriage) were born).

1871
Thomas McGrevy, head, marr, 34, sail maker, Cumberland
Susan McGrevy, wife, marr, 30, Lancaster, Liverpool
Clara McGrevy, daug, 7, scholar, Lancaster, Liverpool
Helena McGrevy, daug, 3, scholar, Lancaster, Liverpool
Mary McGrevy, daug, 5 months, Lancaster, Liverpool

They are sharing the house with Matthew Dirst (?Hirst), married, 37, sail maker, Lancaster Liverpool and his wife Sarah, 36, Lancaster, Liverpool. These people may or may not be related although the shared occupation suggests a work association.

1871 on 22nd June, Thomas's father, James, died in Kew Street, north Liverpool

1875 Thomas died of pneumonia on 6th January 1875 in Liverpool (Mar qtr. W. Derby 8b 240) aged 37, two months before his wife gave birth to their fifth and last child, James McGrevy (1875). Thomas is said to be buried in Anfield Cemetery in the same plot as his daughter Mary Jane who died as a child.

1876 The now widowed, Susan McGrevy (nee Baker) emigrated to New Zealand. She left with her parents 'James and Ann Baker' (however her father is Samuel, a grocer, on her marriage certificate) and James Baker's brother. Susan took her four children. They headed for the gold rush town of Thames some 100 miles from Auckland.

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Address

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1840

 birth

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1840

1841

 Over Lane, Over, Cheshire

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census data

1840

1851

13 School Lane, Liverpool

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census

1840

1861

 155 Upper Frederick Street., Liverpool

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census

1840

1862

 Susan marries Thomas McGrevy, 155 Upper Frederick St. November 16th 1862

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certificate

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1840

1863

 birth of Clara Louisa McGrevy 155 Upper Frederick Street, 18th August 1863

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certificate

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1868

 birth of Helena Jane, 90 Beaufort Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool

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certificate

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1870

 birth of Mary

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1871

 6 Collins Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool

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census

1840

1872

 Birth of Thomas Samuel

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1875

 Thomas died of pneumonia, 6th January 1875, Mar qtr. W. Derby 8b 240

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death

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1839

1875

 birth of James

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1876

Emigration, to New Zealand, of Susan with her children Clara, Helena, Thomas and James. Also her parents Samuel and Ann and ?Samuel's brother

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